Name: Simon Norton

 Occupation: Academic

 Hometown: Cambridge

 County: Cambs

 Comments: Three points.

 

Firstly, even if subsidies to road traffic were removed there would still be justification for supporting public transport on the grounds that lower fares would increase utility by reducing the wastage caused by empty seats.

 

Nigel Replies

 

The argument throughout my paper is that if subsidies are required because people are unable to access their needs, the subsidy should be paid to those people and they can choose how they spend that money, whether to access their needs locally with less or no transport, or to access their needs where available by public or private transport.

 

Where public transport or roads are subsidised, the state is making that choice for the public, depriving the public of the choice of keeping their money accessing their needs locally. This has shifted the economic balance away from the provision of facilities such as shops, employment, health care education etc from local communities to large centralised providers. This has also facilitated the building of residential accommodation in dispersed locations without the facilities necessary for sustainable communities forcing the residents to use transport to access their needs.

 

It is of course virtually impossible to set prices precisely to match supply and demand. Spare capacity is a mixture of excess supply and price set above the optimum economic price. There is always the danger of political interference forcing a price too low creating excess demand without enough revenue to cover the costs of increasing supply to meet demand. This is endemic on large parts of both road and rail networks and indeed buses in some of the big cities. Pricing is best left to commercial organisations with the incentives of maximising profits to ensure the optimum price is set neither too high or too low, and to subsidise the weaker members of society directly if they do not have the resources to access their needs at the commercial price.

 

Secondly, the needs of buses are different to those of cars and we need an assurance that even if local roads are closed to other through traffic buses will still be able to get through, for example if this is necessary to complete a route through a chain of villages.

 

Nigel Replies

 

Agree. My hometown is proposing a pedestrian priority area in the High Street area. This is proposed by taking the pavement surface texture across the road so that road vehicles feel they are driving in a pedestrian area. Buses will continue to be allowed through as will delivery lorries and residential cars. Where this sort of approach is used there are dramatic reductions in road casualties, and pedestrians feel much safer, but vehicles have not been prohibited suggest you read "Traffic Calming in Practice", County Surveyors Society, Landor Publishing, ISBN 1 899650 008 this compares different methods of traffic calming. Also look up the work of Carman Hass-Clau the world’s most distinguished expert in traffic calming.

 

Thirdly, while it would indeed be in the interests of private operators to develop an integrated network that does not mean that they have the ability to develop the administrative structures that this would require. If we have learnt anything from bus and rail privatisation and deregulation, it is that the planning of networks needs to be left to a central authority (for each area) with the further duties of cooperating with their neighbours and covering their areas comprehensively.

 

Nigel Replies

 

Where I live integration has improved beyond recognition since privatisation though there is still a long way to go. There has been a mushrooming of Railbus initiatives where through tickets have become available between train and bus - often valid on several different bus companies.

 

At nationalisation in the 1940's the British Transport Commission were given the task of coordinating all public transport, including bus and rail, but they failed miserably and being state controlled there were no competitors to get it right. Indeed their efforts with all the money spent as directed by the Government together with the false accounting of roads resulted in the financial disaster that gave the Government the excuse for the Beeching cuts and the withering away of bus services that isolated so many in our society.

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